Sorry, if you thought I was going to debate this, I'm not. I've noticed that I don't care about this issue but I didn't realize why until a friend asked me to give my scientific assessment of this critique of the China Study. Now I realize the reason I have no interest is that I'm vegan for other reasons (animals and environment). I'm interested to know what the healthiest vegan diet is, not whether it's healthier than a meat diet. Going vegan improved my health dramatically so I am experientially convinced that the Standard American Diet is unhealthy, and likely it's due to too many animal products and processed foods. But whether or not the optimal diet includes some animal products doesn't interest me because I'm vegan regardless. I feel more healthy than I ever have in my whole life, and it seems healthy enough to me. It's easy to be an unhealthy vegan, and maybe that's why some vegans become ex-vegans. The books I've linked to at right tell me how to be a healthy vegan. I'm very happy to be a vegan.